Shreemata ji Navrathri Pravachans Vani

8th Day Of Navaratri Celebrations, Poverty. 
(Shree Sunderbhai Hall, Mumbai (India)
September 29th, 1979) 

"What we are doing in Sahaja Yoga is that we are reaching to the roots of poverty. We are not just trying to do the, do the patchwork of just improving the material conditions of people."

"What is the basic root of poverty? It is not God. It is human beings, the human beings who have got too much ambitions, human beings who are all the time running after the mirage of money. "

"Now what about poverty? Poverty, as you know is the Lakshmi tattwa. It resides in your Nabhi. The Lakshmi tattwa resides in your Nabhi and if your Nabhi chakra is cured, your Lakshmi tattwa is cured. *In our country because of black magic, because of horrible gurus, because of all kinds of bad things we think about others as far as Nabhi is concerned, because of fasting, nonsensical fasting, because of going to temples and taking bad prasadas, all these things have caused the augmentation of the Nabhi* chakra."
"Human beings have created poverty. Human beings have created all these problems. So they should solve their own problems. It is not the work of God. "
"Poverty is just a mere myth of that symptom. Now to say that people are very much tortured, I know that they are being, of course, very much put down. But what is the solution you have? If the solution is to give them some money, or to have them money wise or to just put little cure, that is not going to help. You have to awaken their Lakshmi tattwa."

"Poverty is of the mind, I can tell you. It’s not more of eating or non-eating. If a person has a mind which is sickening he may be the multi-millionaire still he’ll be crying, “I don’t have this. I don’t have that.” Nothing can satisfy human beings, and you know the economics law is such that, “No want is satiable in general.” In particular, everything is satisfied but nobody is satisfied. With Sahaja Yoga you can give them satisfaction and self-respect. Develop their self-respect. Teach them how to come up, not to look after them as just downtrodden."

"What is this poverty? It’s at the Feet of that Lord. You can just throw it away. I agree that going to temples and churches there is no God. But even going to poor will not help, I can tell you this much today, but going to the roots of poverty, by understanding why there is poverty and why human beings behave like this. You have to transform the whole thing. You are still in the flower state. You all have to become fruits. All of us have to become fruits today. If we are not fruits we cannot solve the problem of our country and of another country. If this takes place, if this tremendous transformation takes place in our country today, then the whole world is going to be led by us"


 " And by this only we are going to remove the poverty,* one day you will see, and not by patching up few things. "



Shree Mataji Nirmala Devi Pravachan

Navami_(Ninth Day) of Navaratri October 19th, 1988.

Today is the last day of Navaratri. This should be the culminating point for all of us, as you see, within us, as you know that there are seven chakras for your ascent and two above it. So all these nine chakras are to be crossed in this lifetime. That should be your destiny. But if you people go on only on the aghya, move on aghya, you cannot rise any higher. People have been lost on that chakra.

So, that is a very important chakra. Sixth- ‘Sashti’ of the Goddess is regarded as a very important thing and they say that Goddess comes on a ‘naav’, on a boat, Calcutta people believe it because the sixth day is very big to cross it. That is what today is the problem with all of us that we have this sixth day still sitting on your heads and we cannot get out it. So to come to the ninth stage, though we may do Puja, we may do anything, but we are still on the sixth. So it is just outwardly that we are doing Puja. The seventh day is the day, where I am there. But 7th and 8th and 9th have to be achieved by crossing your 6th. Today I am going to tell you about the 6th because that is the most important for all of us to know, that what Goddess has done for the sixth day.

Mahalaxmi incarnated as Mary and She brought Her son, who was Jesus Christ and She wanted him to cross this 6th centre for everybody else and that is how he had to become the subtle form of  ‘ Chaitanya ’. He was the subtle form of Chaitanya. The way he walked on water, the way he did many things, showed that he was Chaitanya. But ultimately he became Chaitanya, and he crossed over by leaving his body as subtle. Now this concept is a reality.

But for another person, who is not yet a realised soul, who has not felt the vibrations, he cannot conceive it. So he goes against Christ. Through his aghya, he builds up stories against Christ. Say things that he was an ordinary man because he cannot go beyond it, he is still at aghya state and by doing all these things he cannot cross Christ. Now the point of aghya is this, that the human beings are working on both the sides, left and right. So the left side aghya goes to your past. You think about your country. It was a great country or you may think that like in England- they think that they were great rulers. Then they might think also that they are born out of very high-family - this that- all those things. That gives you a left aghya.

All those things that you feel that your past is there. But apart from this, indulgence into the past of others also gives a left aghya, like somebody is telling you about their past, this has happened - that has happened or a person himself thinks about his own past that such a bad thing has happened to me, it should not have happened, and weeps and cries about it. All these things can give you a very very bad aghya, and this aghya if you get, then it is very difficult to remove it because you yourself have created this problem. The third point is that when you are attacked by some negative force. At that time, when it is attacked, you just forget what you are. You just don’t know what you are. Whatever people tell you, you believe it. They say do this, you will do that. They say that you give me money, you will give it. They will say - jump in the sea, you will jump. They can have a mass suicide. So this left aghya is, through which they mesmerise, and once they mesmerise people then they get anything that they want. Also, they treat people with mesmerism. So when a person gets mesmerised what happens that he gets treated in the sense, that if he has any physical ailment and all that, energy starts flowing towards his physical side and he gets cured. But his left side gets possessed.

So he becomes a left - side possessed man but physically he is cured. So such things they work out for many people that they possess them and put things into them. This is very temporary, it happens, then they go back to their normal selves and there is another personality sitting on them. They become tired and they become just like recluses. They cannot face anyone. There are so many such things that take place in the negative forces of the left side, like Cancer, Malitis, and all these muscular things, Parkinson's and you develop also - the other day I met a lady, she suddenly became very dark, her body swelled up and she had knots in her body and nobody could help her and just she took treatment of Sahaja Yoga for 3 days and she is much better. So, all these things come to you from the left aghya and some people like to indulge in it. Especially I have seen in the Muslim culture. I don’t know why, but they have this kind of a crying, weeping, annoying sort of a thing. They sing their pains, troubles and things like that, especially the love and all that, that sort of a nonsense and that’s how they catch on their left aghya and when the left aghya becomes very strong, it starts penetrating into right aghya. Because they are connected with each other. But when the left aghya penetrates into the right, then what happens, you start playing in the hands of these horrible entities.

As long as you are opposing them, you will have pains, you will get trouble in the body, but as soon as you start accepting them, they start working through you. So then they show different kinds of miracles like you will find Kumkum coming out of them. But then these people become very very effective and they talk in a way that people get enamoured. They say things as if some great oracle of the Delphi has come. The whole thing starts becoming such a big show of demon. So when this left aghya is taken on the right side, then they can become big gurus, they can become great masters. They can become all the things that you see these days. Actually, they achieve it, by practising all these left-sided things and then mastering it and using it through the right side. Is one of the most dangerous things. Also what happens, when the left aghya is developed, you see you might have a very egoistical temper, then what happens you start immediately using that and you become very boastful.

You start behaving, even in Sahaja Yoga, we have seen people, who had a big right aghya-were caught up with left aghya started to misbehave. At that stage then you cannot have them back in Sahaja Yoga. They do all kinds of things, they play all kinds of tricks, by doing that they impress people. They try to show off but the bhoot is talking through them. So that is the stage where we say that they are out of Sahaja Yoga. We cannot have them in, so that is one point, one should avoid you see that if you have a left aghya, please try to clear it out and all the time gets angry with yourself. All the time. Why do I have this temper? Why should I have? Then there can be a person who is hurt in his ego.

Such a person also can become very funny. Hurt ego becomes a balloon-like stuff. You see, if you hit the balloon from outside or from inside, it will swell up. Such a person can become very funny and can be very very artificial and in humble joy. So that also is a very clear personality one can develop. But the right side aghya develops by many things like your birth, by your parents, maybe the parents have pampered you too much and have made you think no end of yourself. Maybe your so-called education, maybe your so-called success in life, or maybe that your parents are highly placed or something like that. So this right aghya develops in you. When this right aghya develops in you it becomes formidable. You can never see anything clearly. It is so stupid and it is so idiotic that you go on doing idiotic things and you don’t see it till you are absolutely finished and you find out. Yes, this is the point.

Now in a human being, they are so small in their understanding of reality- like I see people even to cut a cheque gives them ego, even to carry a bank card gives ego. There is one fellow, who was driving my car in London. Whenever he sat in the car, his aghya use to go ‘clock’ like that. I said what is the matter? Why does he get his aghya? He told me because I am driving a Mercedes, that is why I get it. But it is not your Mercedes, just driving it! (In another example of a lady Shri Mataji met, Shri Mataji saw her with a big aghya and wondered what is so funny with this lady). Shri Mataji asked! “What do you do? I make dolls. Because she can make dolls, she has this. So if God has given you some talent, something, then express your love by doing something for God and try to show that, “O God. Who has given me this talent, let me work for you”. Instead of that, people think this is something as if ‘my work’ and they feel very proud and they want to show that they are very highly talented or very highly educated or highly this thing.

What is this for God? What is knowledge? All is ‘avidya’. So to get rid of this ego. we have a very simple method which “Mohammed Saheb” has suggested, which works very well, which is that you just have to take a shoe and beat yourself nicely every time to get rid of ego. But we always see the ego of another person, never of our own. We never think that something is wrong with us. We always think that something is wrong with another person.

This is the first sign of the ego that you never see your ego, what is wrong with you, how you behave, how you treat others. What do they think about you? I would cite the example of my father. He was such an egoless man, he was so talented, so knowledgeable. I have not met anyone of his kind so far. He was so deep. But supposing he was sitting on the table eating the food. We all are sitting and there’s no salt. You are not supposed to say -there’s no salt. Eat it, nothing doing, eat without salt. Just you have to eat without salt, you are not to say. Then my Mother would say “If there was no salt then why didn’t you tell me?

Then, you see what happened, that we were a large family, in the sense, with all my cousins, brothers and sisters. We had halls for sleeping. Girls, boys-few blankets sharing among ourselves. The whole night fighting and this and that. Sometimes we had to sleep on the ground. So one day my sister complained that she feels pain in the body when she sleeps on the ground. So then he said “ You go and sleep outside, sleep for ten days and you’ll be alright, make a slave of your body. “He used to do that. He said “You should not demand anything. If you ask anything anytime, like say supposing, say-somebody says ‘I want to have dinner this time. “He said, ‘No better go and fast, fast, fast. Any interest in food or any interest in clothes, any interest in the property, he used to just tell us off. There should be no interest in all these comforts and things, because these things if you have, you feel proud - ‘aham’! And the comfort part of it is an enslavement to matter.

The matter is all the time enslaving you. Everywhere if you ask for comfort, you are asking for the enslavement of the matter and when this matter sits on you, actually you develop the ego because you are again enslaved. Anybody who is enslaved has the greatest ego and that is how you start doing and saying things - I have got this, I’ve got that. You can’t carry it with you. For a Sahaja Yogi, - it is important that he should be able to live in a very Spartan manner. He should be able to live under any circumstances. That is the sign of a Yogi. If a Yogi needs a comfortable bed and he needs a proper food and this and that, he is still looking at the food all the time, looking at the purse and the money, he is not a Yogi. He should have nothing to do with all this. What I am saying that as Sahaja Yogis you have to develop yourself in such a manner, that you mature in Sahaja Yoga. You have to mature in Sahaja Yoga so that you feel absolutely free from any temptations, free from any habits, free from demands of the time. That’s called a Yogi.

Now those whom you have read now, this I have not told them, this they had known themselves. How did they know? Because they became pure, pure, pure with themselves - of the divine - and that is how they know it. So this purity has come all this will come. For example - Markandeya used to live in a place, he used to dedicate himself, lived there very happily with his father, in a very modest manner and then, he was the richest man because he enjoyed the grace of the Mother and he saw all these things so well. He was cursed to be dead at a very young age and the father told him that you have to die because Shiva has given me the boon that I will give you the son but he will have to die very soon. He said - alright. I will find out the solution, so he worshipped the Goddess.

The Goddess gave him the boon. Goddess Herself he saw in person and that is how this place ‘Saptashringi’ is there. Saptashringi is seven chakras. It is the Adishakti’s place. It is Adishakti’s place. So, this is, when you are reading all these things, you are amazed at how did they know 14000 years ago. How many know all this about it which tallies with your Sahaja Yoga, which shows what you are, and then how has he written so precisely about it, because he himself had become a complete reflector. It is a complete reflector which has shown to the world. What the Goddess is.

A very great credit to him and without any ego. If you have an ego, you cannot reflect, if you have superego, you cannot reflect. Now, ego is such an illusion that it says. “ I don’t like it. I don’t want it. This is not mine. “As long as you go on like this, then know that you are in the form of ego. You are no more a Yogi, you are an egotistic person. So it is important that you have to build up yourself in such a manner that all these clouds of ego and superego disappear. Now the worship of the Goddess helps you because when you worship the Goddess, She is Shakti - She is Kundalini. She expands your chakras - Sushumna improves, your channel expands and there it opens much more, but the retention is not there.

Again, it’s like a hole in the pitcher, you put water and it goes out. It’s like that. So in the beginning, if we say that the water is full because with force it comes. But after some time the pitcher is empty. It’s that. It’s just the same so the hole that is within us, which can be ego or super-ego, which are only two things, only two problems, only these two problems if you can avoid it, better do it. That’s all. That’s all. Work it out. So the best thing is to see yourself, scold yourself and also to appreciate yourself at a point, when you do something, something nice, something generous and this is what is so much lacking. Sometimes the Sahaja Yogis think that now we are already in the kingdom of God, but that is not your destiny. Supposing somebody is working as a sweeper in the Secretariat and he thinks that “I have become the Prime Minister” then what do you say? What is his position? It’s just the same. You have entered into the kingdom of God, but have you achieved your destiny?

For achieving your destiny, you don’t need any education, you don’t need any knowledge, you don’t need any extracurricular greatness and you don’t need any name, fame, family or caste or race, nothing. With humble devotion and meditation and the true desire to ascend, the true desire to ascend, it works out so beautifully, so beautifully, you’ll be amazed. Now, we have to know our destination, First of all, know what we have to achieve, Secondly, we have to know how to achieve it, the achieving coefficient. We have to have devotion. It’s so simple. We have to have devotion. Now, people, meditate-they see the photograph. What you have to do is to look at my photograph and say that and just see as if that is the photograph of your own Mother. Put her in your heart. Try to put Her in Your heart. “Like that put her in your heart. This heart has all the intelligence, it has all the capacities, everything is born out of the heart. But if you close the heart, then the brain becomes arbitrary and it goes outside and this heart is the one which has got the Spirit and it controls everything, autonomous -sympathetic, all your evolution, knowledge, everything. Not only that you feel so collective being and also it is the light that gives you your true knowledge. So this spirit has to be worked out. So the first thing is to try to develop your heart. How large it is, see yourself. Alright, how many people you can forgive.

How you talk to them. What do you think about other people? Are you concerned about them or not. For example to me, if I see a poor man, the whole being starts churning, you know. It’s Just I feel that something should be done for them, just can’t bear it. Like these poor people, who are working here were asked to move out, because they had some objection. So we moved all of them and they moved out because I asked them but they have not made their huts. The whole night, poor things had to sit outside. The whole day I couldn’t eat. I was feeling so terrible. I gave them everything. I said, sit down here. You make them and give them whatever they want and look after their health. Still, they got sick and I treated them. Because you see, the whole compassion starts just creating a tempest in my heart. A tempest and this is what one has to see. What do you think about poverty?

Do you think of poverty that is there? What do you think of people who are suffering? What do you think about the people who are beaten, who are cheated, who are troubled? Sahaja Yoga is not meant for one individual. It is not for you. It is not meant for any collective Sahaja Yogis. It is meant for the whole world. You have to bring the light of God’s love and compassion everywhere.

So the further stage then, that is to rise above aghya. When the person thinks that I am very happy and I should have this. Look at the person who has not got anything, look at him. When you think you are very great, look at someone greater than you. When you spread your attention to all these things, you see, then you start understanding that. O, God! What a blessing! God has blessed me so much! First of all the Realisation. Thanks, thanks for the Realisation. Thanksgiving is the best way and then start looking that this Thanksgiving I have, why not I give it to others. But we are extremely cruel, sometimes extremely arrogant, sometimes extremely malicious to others. But now this will stop. Whatever you have to say, you have to say honestly. There are two enemies you have. First is, you are your own enemy and second is the ignorance, then nobody can destroy you. Now supposing there is a person, who is very troublesome, say, who troubles you. Let him be troublesome. He is going to hell, not you. If he is troubling, it’s alright. Let him. Who got the ill feeling? Why should you worry? You are not doing anything.

You should be happy about it. On the contrary, somebody is troubling, look at that – This fellow, is troubling, he has got so much money, has got this, while I am troubled, I haven’t got this. You have got your self Realisation. He hasn’t got. This is a very big source of satisfaction and elation that we are self-realised souls and let us try to have our own complete establishment. We are to be ornamented. We are to be put on the throne, we are to be the kings. This is what I desired. So, beggars cannot be taken. So if you make a beggar a king, he will still do this and that.  So this great personality has to come, a kind of dignity, serenity, a kind of a personality that should show that you are a Sahaja Yogi. So as I said, there are only two enemies, which you have to fight for, that you should know you have got your self-realisation, for that you have got you pujas. At the time of the puja, you just surrender yourself to Me, because if you are not surrendered, your mind is going round and round.

It’s like putting something on to a fan, which doesn’t accept it, just throws away. In a way, you are that, that’s what. The second point is that a puja is a surrendering. It’s a devotion. It’s a feeling of the heart. Open the heart.  At that time you should open the heart and I am worshipping. Now the problem is that, with the egotistical people if you tell them anything they feel hurt. It’s the worst part. They don’t understand that this is for their benevolence. That they have to open their heart. They have to receive more. If it is a small little heart, how much love you can pour into it. Like this time the love if flowing. The love is flowing. At that time you are sitting with your head fixed on to some point. So the dedication point, the attention should be full. I have seen people sleep during puja. Many people sleep. that shows they are left sided, and there is a ‘Bhoot’ in them or something like that.

They just go off. I am talking to them they just go off. These are the things you must understand. Why are you doing that and try to get rid of it and try to improve your self, be alert and to receive it, Receive it as much as you can? This is what is the puja is made for. Now you have had nine pujas here and out of these nine pujas have we improved more, have we got more? Did we fill ourselves more with greater love, with greater joy, with greater understanding and with greater satisfaction?

This is the last day, so you have to think that, then tomorrow is the day of jubilation because we have done that? That is what. So today you should go and make a complete picture of yourself.  What have I got in these nine days? What I have got? Let us see, have I got this? Have I got that? All these things, you should just within yourself see and then enjoy that you have got all these things. It is the victory. Tomorrow is the day of victory. That you have become victorious about yourself and about your ignorance.

 You have won yourself and you’ve won over the ignorance, the darkness of ignorance. This is what is tomorrow’s message.

May God Bless You

Sudesh DJV writes on contemporary subjects in the form of Articles and poems which is in the interest of the Nation in particular and for the Mankind in general.